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OrangeArrow · Jun 21, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

I have done the forge run really isnt that great only real benefit is you get your max stats armor sooner.

Anyone Smart who run to Droknor either does it for the armor or to get quicker acess to one of the farming areas near droknor to level up farming.

anyone who just comes from Beacons skipping crytstal desert all together will be missing access to tombs and Hall of heros, 2 very nice elites from crystal desert and Dragon's Lair, and 30 attribute Points.

Divinitys Creature · Jun 21, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by theclam

If people want to lower their playing fun by being ran all the way to Droknar, it's fine by me. When I see non-ascended people in the first mission of the lower Shiverpeaks (the name always escapes me) I just laugh, as no one will invite a lvl 15 for the mission.

They are also missing out in getting skills, and weapons, and such.

EDIT:

I don't know why people buy this game just so they can be run to the end, and miss all of the fun of the middle. It isn't all that much of an accomplishment to beat the game at lvl 15, other than the fact that your team mates must be good to win with one less person

They don't run to the end they need armor and unlocking of spells. Having that armor helps them get through missions and aquire skill points. Droknar's is by no means the end there are half a dozen missions and upteen quests.

They are partially running: TO THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. PvE is the introductory part of the game, they are just getting the tools for PvP. We could say you (PvE people) ruin our fun by not wanting us to have UAS or fame unlocking.

Dax · Jun 21, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04

On one hand, who cares. If someone does not wants to cut corners fine. On the other hand it's easy to see how it might put off the new player. Yes the arenas in the low level areas don't count for much....unless maybe you just started playing and it's your first arena experience.

Personally I don't really care, but it's pretty interesting how much people will go through not to play through the story.

QTFsniper · Jun 21, 2005, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Darc.Syde

who cares if they got further, they will still need to go through the game to get skill points... i hate whn forge runners take yor gemz too, even after you let them have your rune...

man, this isnt diablo2!!! Hellforge... lol and that mephisto's soulstone -_-; good times ..good times..

ShadowWrath · Jun 21, 2005, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Running places and avoiding monsters is thrilling IMO. More thrilling than standing there and firing the same spells/arrows/whatever at monsters over and over.

The Pope · Jun 21, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48

How many times should people have to finish the missions before it counts? Anything that bypasses pointless repetitive actions so that you can do what you want is good. Or should people all go back to menial factory labour that a mindless machine can do so much better because it's "more fulfilling" than enjoying yourself?

Yukito Kunisaki · Jun 21, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

You should look at it this way...

They're level <10. So... uh... If it's a new character, do you REALLY think they'd get all the SHIZNORS skills by just heading for Droknar's?

Yeah... Right.

OMG, THEY'RE ASCENDED TO LEVEL 20 FROM LVL 5!!!!

Well, fight them in pvp. Do you think they'd have the know-how and smarts to fight with their cheaply earned skills and equipment?

I don't care who you are. I'll gladly fight your 3 hour lvl 20 ascended character with my W/N who's spent more than 200+ hours in actual guild combat, arena combat, and pve combat. Ah, you've got the character skills and big armor, whoopty doo!

Now let's see how much REAL SKILL YA GOT... [evil grin...

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Your skill level can't POSSIBLY beat those who've spent a little time playing this game. The game is based on skill, not hours played, true, however, the one who's played longer may have the upper hand IF THEY KNOW just how their character's role in battle should be.

Hours played means you have upper end gear. Funny thing is, so does everyone else at your level so YOUR RAW SKILL will make or break your character.

Those of you who HAVE to run to Droknar's? Go ahead, I'll make sure me and my teammates may mulch your ass alive. Skill through experience is the REAL way to play this game...

leviathan · Jun 21, 2005, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Wth.... 150 hours to get to iron mines..... I think it took my 3rd char about 20 hours to ascend. And 60 hours to beat all the missions.

Um usually it isnt total noobs getting run to droknars, its usually people with more than one character, who dont wanna play through all the missions for a 2nd/3rd time.

Mercury Angel · Jun 21, 2005, 04:38 AM // 04:38

There's a big problem with this whole topic:
How far is 'too far ahead' and 'having skills beyond what you should have' exactly?

Is Yak's Bend too far for the Ascalon Arena?
Is Lion's Arch too far for Ascalon Arena?
Is Henge of Denravi too far for Ascalon Arena?

And are skills from Fisherman's Haven, which can be gotten from a run from Lion's Arch to Temple of Ages, down to Fisherman's Haven, too advanced?
If my Monk were weilding Balthazar's Aura at lvl 10, would it be 'cheating'?

And onward, including the Desert, where you can get great armor from the collectors which rival the Droknar's Forge armor.

And we've talked armor, what about weaponry? And runes?

Why should I be able to have 12 smiting at level 10 using a superior rune of smiting, and weild an 11-22 damage smiting staff from a collector with 20% recharge and 20% casting speed buffs? Why should I have a Superior Vigor and Superior Absorption as a warrior that early? When the damage is so low, -3 can make quite the big difference.

Just how much is too much of an advantage? Who gets to draw the line?

In the end, the reasons that nothing is done is most likely:
-The game is balanced for lvl 20, 8vs8 combat. Not lvl 10 4vs4. Thinking otherwise is exactly the reason why some people protest the addition of a 1 vs 1 arena: People will complain about balance issues. Would you prefer that the 4 vs 4 arenas didn't exist at all?

And as above, where is the line drawn for how far is too far ahead? I could skip through the jungle and get some 49 AL armor on my caster, 19 more than the 30 AL I'm supposed to have that early. Would that make me a 'cheater'? Also, I do plan on running to Fisherman's Haven on my level 12 monk to get Balthazar's Aura. It's a totally kick butt skill that would really complete my Smiting skill set for now. (Most of the rest require me to get in range of the enemy and hit them. Holy Strike is even touch range, although the damage is pretty good.) If I step into the Shiverpeak Arena after I get that skill, do I become a 'cheater'? (And I most likely WILL step into the arena around level 14-15, before it's too late to never go back into again.)

The arenas offer no inherent rewards, and the game is too open ended to stop people from gaining an advantage over others one way or another.

Paladin_Adoni · Jun 21, 2005, 04:47 AM // 04:47

I 100% agree with the end-game armor on low-level arena players is wrong. I VERY VERY VERY much doubt arena net intended for sub-level 10 characters wearing that armor.

but, as far as people being run from a-b. sure do it I dont care.

I've run people from ascalon to lions arch. thats a LONG bloody way. they payed me. I was happy. (im also cheep!) they were happy.

I've finished the game, and to be honest its a little slow paced (mainly the whole finding a group thing) I dont have time to serious PvP. so I keep myself entertained by farming and running.

now, before you seek me out ingame. I dont run poeple through to droknars. it takes to long. and I like to kill things. so yeah.

I'm guessing that all you people who say theres nothing wrong with entereing the new people arena with end-game armour, never actually spent much time there or are so l33t that you figure you can take anyone no matter there advantage.

that first arena is designed to let new players find out what all the PvP stuff is about. going in and getting totally raped by some warrior in that armor (happened to me way too much) is simply annoying to the core. warrior/mo vs warrior/mo and doing little to no damage because of the armor is not exactly encouraging new people to play PvP is it?

toastgodsupreme · Jun 21, 2005, 05:12 AM // 05:12

I had my Wa/Mo ran to Droknar's. Why? I wanted the best armor early. So now I'm running around with 100 def +20vs phys. I'm happy. If I can afford it because I ascended another character by playing the game, then it's my perogative.

STFU and stop crying about something that has no effect on you. If you want to group at Beacons, stay out of Dist 1. That's the runner district really.

=HT=Ingram · Jun 21, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21

trust me this is not being done by the n00bs. this is being done for a 2nd or 3rd character build by their guildmates normally...

I mean I have access to it with my other characters, but people get down there so they can get their armor basically. for PvE. Its of little to no use to anyone else, because in PvP you can make level 20 characters already with max armor classes...

So its not like these people are able to do something supper special by getting there...

Prime example. I'm a level 18 monk with my 3rd character now, but I have not even got to the desert yet. I did all the quests missions and bonus up to divinity coast and quite simpliy I'm a little board now. Being my 3rd time through. So I want to get to Droknar's forge quick so I can start having fun against good npcs again... if I'm still a day or two away going through a bunch of stuff I have done MANY times, and I want to get to better areas quicker, so I get my guildmates to take me down, I get my better armor and start fighting there... and doing what I want to be doing unlocking new skills and runes for PvP. (Which are REQUIRED TO HAVE TO DO NOW FOR SOME REASON) Its the same thing with the diffenet characters. why can they not just map to the point they want to go if you have already been there with another character??? but ceilavie.. thats the way it is... I deal with it. Even when you finish the game(or waht SOME PEOPLE CALL FINISHING THE GAME) its not really finished. I suppose thats the real pain about the whole thing. there is no real benifit to finishing all the missions and bonuses to the game... other then just to do it...

Sovetskeey · Jun 21, 2005, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Well I've decided that to try and turn people off of Lornar's Pass runs I'm gonna go scamming

. Bring my warrior ask for 3k, half up front and just ditch 'em. Make those n00bs think twice about skipping half the game

In my opinion, Lornar's Pass needs to be closed. It's pretty annoying when you're down at the Ring of Fire and you've got level 12s, 15s and 17s joining your party. They just sit back and leech because they get whooped about 30 seconds into the mission otherwise.

Edit:
Guess I'm too slow. They all want you to take them to "that place just before Droknar's" or "right outside of Droknar's" before they'll pay

Oh well... Back to trying Hell's Precipice for the 8th time...

The Pope · Jun 21, 2005, 11:10 AM // 11:10

Oooh moralistic self righteous scamming. Thats a million times worse than plain greedy scamming.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 21, 2005, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I sat here and listened to all the peple cry about forge runs yesterday and how lomars should be closed off. Well just to spight those of you who cry I did it yup first char level 17 i took her to droknars. Then i went back to Ventari's and continued on. Oh and ranger armor sucks so wasn't for that.
I say every one make the run then if the close lomars we can still have a place to hunt high end.

Numa Pompilius · Jun 21, 2005, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Uh... WTF _ARE_ you supposed to get to Droknars, if not through running Lornars?

I'm currently busy failing Elona & Thirsty River - I'm strictly soloing with henches and Alesias shortcomings as a tank are becoming very obvious now - and I've never been to Droknars.

arnansnow · Jun 21, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Your first sentence didn't really make sense, was it supposed to be HOW_ARE_(blah blah blah)?

Try doing the missions with real people, it takes some perserverence, but you can eventually find a good group.

Numa Pompilius · Jun 21, 2005, 12:36 PM // 12:36

No, it was supposed to be When The ****.

I wasn't complaining about the difficulty of Elona etc, I'll beat those eventually, once I figure out where I'm supposed to go and what I'm supposed to do, I was wondering when you ARE supposed to get to Droknars Forge, since it apparently isn't by running through Lornars Pass.

arnansnow · Jun 21, 2005, 12:48 PM // 12:48

OH When The **** makes sense.

*Spoiler*

You get there directly after finishing Dragon's Lair Mission, which is after ascension

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 21, 2005, 12:48 PM // 12:48

So, lets say they close Droknars.

I will just go get my end game armor from the Eternal Forge. And it is a lot closer than Droknars. Then what are you going to do? Cry to close the Temple? LOL yeah right, cause Temple is the whole reason for winning HoH.

I would LOVE for someone to provide a screen of a lvl 10 wearing Droknar's and owning people in Ascalon arena. I dont know since when 1 person made that big of contribution to a PvP team. I think it has been said before, slow the guy down take out the rest of the team then gank him 4v1.

Again I reinterate I have never fought in a low lvl arena, for me it is a waste of time. I have rushed to Droknars though. After 250 hours on my first character (since everyone else is throwing out their playing time). Let a n00b rush to Droknars, how is he going to afford the armor and materials? He will pretty much have to get thru most of the game before he can purchase any of the armor. Because the armor offered in Droknar's requires to many resources for someone to provide from a first character. Armor is not specified by level, but by wealth. Can I afford this armor? Yes, so I can buy it.

If someone wants to do nothing but fight in low lvl arenas that is their choice. They can consider themselves low lvl duelers, way to go. Personally any one that considered themselve a pro at low lvl dueling would NOT be allowed into my guild. What contrabutition do they offer? Are you winning Sigils? Are you winning Guild rank? No, so go away.